Looper is a film I’ve been looking forward to for a couple
of months or so. It started playing on film circuits and getting amazing feedback. My beloved Empire Online then gave it 5/5.
Total Film gave it 5/5. Ain’t It Cool News…. Well they don’t give scores, but
suffice to say it was a very good write up. The expectancy of Looper was
reinvigorating my hunger for sci-fi in a way that I hadn’t experienced in many
a time.
“Finally a sci-fi film that is a sci-fi film!”“Hhhmmmmm”, I can hear you ponder. Then after a very short amount of deliberation you would utter, “Christopher, darling, Prometheus came out but a few months ago, and that was sci-fi”.
And you’d be right. Kinda.
You don’t get many science fiction films these days that ask you to think about what is actually possible. Or what could be possible in the future and what conundrums that could lead too - films that get you thinking “what would happen if xyz happened?” Not just, “you know what makes a sci-fi film? Aliens! And space! And Aliens and Space together!”
Don’t get me wrong I love films with Aliens and Space, but I want my grey matter to be tickled and coerced into ponderings that might not be possible through films other than science fiction.
“What would I do if I had a time machine?
"If I had a time machine could I actually change anything?”
“How can I be sure this world is real and that I’m not just a brain in a vat while Keanu Reeves runs around dodging bullets and speaking shit?”
There’s a difference between sci-fi and space opera. Space opera just takes a story about farm boy who wants to go to war, to take on a fascist dictator, and puts it a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away…. The story could still happen on this planet it’s just got an out of this world setting.
Prometheus, while not out and out space opera was more of a theological study then anything. It was asking us to look at our beginnings and ponder where we had come from. It just used a story in space about xenomorphs who have acid for blood as a means of getting us to deliberate those questions.
True sci-fi is different. Looper is true sci-fi. Looper is different.
Poor deduction aside, I was excited. I went to the cinema with a lot of my friends (I have loads of friends, loads), more than I had ever been to a film with before. Clearly they were excited too, and I’ll be looking into this phenomena in a bit more detail in the exciting and mysterious future (tomorrow).
After all this build up you’re probably expecting me to go
the film was rubbish, and it was massive let down, death to Bruce Willis etc
But no. It was good. But in a delicious piece of irony the reason why the film
was tainted somewhat was because I couldn’t get my head around the time travel.
The science didn’t make sense to me, and as such I couldn’t get my mind off it
the whole way through out.
Fuck.
Believe me I tried to let it go. My friend Daniel gets
annoyed when I look into films too much. They are films after all, not gospel
(arguably just as much fiction for some), so just chill out and watch it.
Throughout the whole film if my mind drifted off to the science I imagined
Daniel slapping me across the face and going “Nein!” (He’s not German, but it
certainly helped focus me more – we have a weird friendship). I should be concentrating
on the film and not the science. I couldn’t help it though.
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But in all fairness (and I say this in my most infantile and
whiny voice) “but that’s why I love sci-fiiiiiiiiii.”
So at this point, you’re probably wondering what bothered
me, well I shall tell you. As a disclaimer, feel free to skip the next few paragraphs
if you just want to know what I thought of the film. If you like your films
simply entertaining and your women busty there’s no shame in not being bothered
about the ins and outs of complex matters as long as the film entertains you. After
this account of inner turmoil I’ll talk about the things I liked. It’s just,
like my opening article described, I’m a cunt. And if I’m not analysing too
much then I’m not breathing. Don’t worry
I’ll let you know when to start reading again, there will be a sure sign when
to come back. Ok? See you in a bit.
Right my problem – And (as one last disclaimer) I also
accept here that I might not have understood the film, or there is another explanation.
Like entering a maze and choosing the wrong route, I may have just found a dead
end and I need a kind, non-threatening hand to guide me to freedom.
Ok, before you all stop reading, my actual problem. Now. In
full. Ladies and gentlemen the problem…In the film, two Old Joes come back, one with a hood and one without a hood. What happened to make two different versions come back? Was there an outside influence I am not aware of? I have just deleted 3 paragraphs about alternate time lines, paradoxes, causality as there is a much simpler way of putting it. In the film Minority Report Tom Cruise explains future crime to Colin Farrell. He says that they are made aware of future crimes by these 3 people with psychic abilities. They then interfere to stop these crimes from happening. To show an example of this he rolls a ball along an edge which will fall off the side until Collin catches it. Collin does this because he knows what will happen (the ball will fall off). Without Collin’s (or anyone’s) interference the ball would fall off. No matter how many times you repeated the exact same thing. Why should Joe be any different? Why would one Joe decide to fight back, and the other did not? Was it because of the premonition he had? Why didn’t the other Old Joe act of premonition? How many questions can I legitimately string together before this starts to get old real fast?
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And that’s my problem; I could not work it out. If someone
can please explain it to me, I will happily watch the film again. I know some
films with have more outlandish set ups, so if I have a problem with this film why
do I enjoy Armageddon etc. Perhaps I shouldn’t have a problem… But this just
seems like a film that wants to present itself as a “what if?” as opposed to an
“imagine”.
One possible solution is that through a multitude of
alternate dimensions and delayed causality is that the first hooded Joe got
turned into a Looper when Jeff Daniels handed the original Joe we see in the
film a gun…. Oh it doesn’t matter. We can debate it on the Facebook comments.
(To be fair to Looper it has one great scene where Joe meets
Old Joe and Old Joe just nukes the talk about time travel all together, we don’t
need to know the complexities of it. If you want to do that then go and watch
Primer (but be prepared for confusion). But I was unable to get rid of my
particular problems.)
But maybe this is exactly what a good sci-fi is meant to do.
It’s meant to make me question and try and work it out. If the rest of the film
is inconsequential to me but it’s got me pondering the film for days after then
perhaps it’s a success! That’s certainly the main reason I look forward to sci-fi
– the deliberation and pondering. So should I really be complaining about something that has puzzled me when I am hardly in the best position to deliberate the ins and outs of science, lacking any kind of qualification above a GSCE or a fully functioning brain? Thinking about time travel has a habit of getting
you into a thought process that eventually has you staring blankly at a wall
and blood coming out of your ears - so should I really be surpised that I am somewhat confused? And if you’re not into all that crap, there’s
a bloody good film just to sit back and watch i.e. the thick people. Oh sci-fi
works on so many levels! Talking of the Thickies I should probably be welcoming
them back into the discussion now we’ve got all that intelligent stuff out the
way, hold on I’ll just get their attention.![]() |
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Hey there! Welcome back to the people who skipped the pseudo philosophical bull shit, and just wanted to know about my thoughts about the film.
I’m presuming everyone has watched the film – but if anyone
needs a recap: Time travel has been invented. It is highly regulated, but the
mafia have got hold of a time machine and use it to ‘dispose’ of people they want to dispose of. They
have a crew of contract killers set up in the past to ‘dispose’ of the people
called Looper’s. Joe (Joseph Gordon Levitt) is a Looper. Joe has to kill his
future self when he is sent back. It all goes pear shaped.
Firstly the world that has been created is quite marvellous.
It doesn’t quite reach the dystopian vision of Blade Runner, but it certainly
draws inspiration from it. The city landscapes are impressive and the world
that Joe inhabits is seedy and full of corruption. In fact, pretty much
everywhere you look in this film you are looking at something that has been corrupted.
This is one of Looper’s best traits and is reflected best in the protagonists. The two main characters
(Joe and Old Joe) are not out and out heroes - far from it. In any other film
they would probably be the bad guys.
When we first meet Joe, he is a contract killer who goes to strip clubs
and is addicted to drugs. When Joe becomes Old Joe he comes back and wants to
kill kids. The film isn’t saying he is a bad guy; it just wants to get you
thinking. If you had the opportunity to kill Hitler as a child would you? None
of the characters in this film are black or white. Not even the kid. This film wants you to work things out for yourself.
As we have already discovered about this film, it has depth
- depth to allow you to make of it what you will, but all the depth in the
world doesn’t necessarily make a good movie. It has to compel you to want to
keep on watching and to work problems out. The film has some very nice set pieces, when the guy is
watching his body disappear as they mutilate his past self, the run through Joe’s
future and ‘redemption’, when Cid (the kid) goes all Tetsuo and rips apart that
Gat man in mid-air… It’s just the pacing in between such set pieces can lag
sometimes, especially when Joe reaches the farmhouse. The stringing together of the great moments in the film is what let it down for me, the film didn't always have my attention and it stopped it from getting top marks. Also I thought the ending
was a bit predictable and a bit of a cop-out, I really liked it when I thought
Cid was on his way to becoming the Rainmaker all over again. Eh, but again
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Despite my gripes with some of the science, one of the main
reasons I really like this film is that so much thought has been poured into
everything you see. All the characters seem three dimensional, the cinematography
is sexy and most loose ends have tried to be tied up. Apart from the one I’ve
identified. But I could easily be wrong about it.
Moving on.
The film is also presented on a gloriously mature back drop,
so we get nudity, violence and swearing – which, if Hollywood if anything to go
by, the future will be full of so why pull any punches.Moving on.
And to complete the review, I dunno, erm... I’ll give it 72/100.
There. As you’ve probably guessed the main reason I’ve wrote
this article is to discuss why I like sci-fi and the problem I’ve got with
Looper. And a long article at that, geez, 1,980 words it currently stands at.
Both points of my argument are meant to culminate at the same point. I bloody
love sci-fi and the thought process it inspires. No Looper wasn't perfect for me, but it was still a good sci-fi film, and it's still got me thinking about it now! Good sci-fi doesn't dumb down for audiences, it respects the audience's intelligence and presents the story accordingly. Just talking to Daniel earlier
who loved the film loads and having just the briefest discussion about the film turned into a full on debate where we both working together to figure it
out. That’s great sci-fi. 

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Just come across the blog Chris, archive makes for some good reading!
ReplyDeleteHave not seen Looper yet, nothing beats a film that leaves you thinking about it for days after though. Will post my thoughts if I come to any sort of conclusion on the time travel aspect of it...
Cheers for the kind words mate! Look forward to hearing your thoughts.
DeleteSo my thoughts…this is a complete stab in the dark as to how the film was supposed to play, feel free to tear apart the logic.
ReplyDeleteJoe 1
A character we know absolutely nothing about other than he is sent back in time and shot by his alternate self.
There is nothing to suggest he was even a Looper. To the contrary I think the movie tries to imply that he was not.
Joe 2
The original JGL character we are introduced to, and the only one to be played by JGL and BW. This is the character whose growing old sequence we watch.
Shoots his future self (Joe 1), so grows up with the knowledge that he will one day be sent back in time to be shot by himself.
The intervention moment is JD ‘putting the gun in his hand’, thus becoming a Looper and requiring his future self (Joe 1) to be sent back in time. For me this ‘gun in the hand’ is referenced too many times during the film to not be intended as significant, and makes sense as JD would not have existed in Joe 1’s past as JD is from Joe 2’s future.
Joe 3
The JGL character we see once BW (Joe 2) has been sent back in time and survives.
Has the same child hood as Joe 2 which is why they can interact
Kills himself, thus his future self (Joe 2) ceases to exist.
For me it gets complicated as your future self is 30 years older than you, so you are, for all intents and purposes, looking at their life events as past events once they are in your time zone, despite the fact that they are future events (Joe 2 as BW goes into this a bit in the café I think). Thinking about who is the future self of who, and how their actions will affect someone else’s past or future frankly made my head hurt.
To be honest I didn’t really enjoy the film, it never really got me thinking and I found myself quite restless throughout, sometimes a bit bored.
The scene where BW tells JGL that he (in essence we) should forget about the time travel piece eludes to the fact the film makers recognised how contrived the concept was and we should just enjoy the movie, thus shifting it back to your category of people who like their movies simply entertaining and women busty, for me it fell short, slow paced, a bit predictable, and a lack of attachment to any of the characters. Couple of good scenes but nothing to write home about.
Summary: On the face an average movie that tried to be too clever and created a concept that has so many open questions around the possibilities of the various circumstances the plot loses credibility.
Alternate Summary: I am thick, missed the point, and the above is pretentious tripe simply evidencing that I didn’t understand a movie most critics seemed to thoroughly enjoy
Ha, no I think you're a pretty justified in your Summary, no matter how entertaining your Alternate Summary may be...
ReplyDeleteOn your explanation of the science, me and my mate (the aforementioned Daniel) did come up with a similar explanation... JD would let the future know who he chose to to be Loopers and as such they would round up the right people and send them back. So this would mean JGL1 would have a different time line as JGL2, and as such JGL2 would know how to deal with JGL3... It's just I can't think why JGL2 would need to kill JGL1 if JGL1 was never a looper! Perhaps to prepare JGL2 for the inevitability of his death, but look at what happens! Why prepare JGL2 for his death if this is how he is going to react. And I can't work out how changing someone in the past doesn't alter their future self, like if you were to scar somone in the past, their future self then has that scar... Either way the science is handled messily and it has detracted from the film experience for a number of people!
I would argue that I don't think it tries to be too clever in it's approach - the audience is never lost in contrived plot twists or jargon - it's more the film has an arrogance about it in it's 'putting to one side' of potentially puzzling elements. Like the film maker is saying, "Look, don't worry about the science, just enjoy it, we'll do the rest". However, I think the science is lazily handled in a film that does want to be seen as credible, and as such a juxtoposition of attitudes is conveyed which led to my confusion and seemingly yours as well.
Apart from that our view points do seem pretty similar, except I rated it as a good film with very good moments, and you an average film with good moments. There is a chance I was more biased to look more positively on this film, so have given it a more postive write up then it deserves, but this will be amended accordingly in repeat viewing - as an avid film viewer you know a film is only as good as its repeat viewings - if they even happen at all!
It's interesting that you mention the bit where I said about people "who like their movies simply entertaining and women busty", despite being slightly pedantic, the more I think about it, the more I think that this film is stuck in limbo a bit. It neither completely works as entertaining balls out action movie, or satisfies as a mind numbing sci-fi epic - this is ultimately where the film might fail in the long run.
Thanks for your entertaining, well written and insigthful post, I look forward to reading more of your views in the future!